How to document Gwinnett research?

Posted by Liz Jack     Category: Genealogy, Gwinnett

Well, I have another session at the Archives tonight on my Gwinnett research. I am considering some sort of publication, either a book or a web site, that involves the history of the Gwinnett family, combined with researching your ancestors in and around Gloucestershire – basically a how-to-do-it book. The latest version of ‘Gloucestershire Family History’ written by M E Richards and produced by the then Gloucestershire Record Office is 15 years old now and a lot has happened in genealogy since then. It has been mentioned a few times that it needs updating ….. So, my problem is threefold: do I write the family story from when the Gwinnetts arrived in Gloucestershire in the 16th century using documents to illustrate what can be found – the most logical way from the family point of view; do I begin with the most recent Gwinnett and work back though his family as one does when tracing ancestors; or do I take topics for research such as parish registers, probate, etc., and describe the family via that means? Any suggestions from those who have been along this route already? It’s all a bit overwhelming at the moment.

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33 Responses to “How to document Gwinnett research?”

  1. Tanya Brigden-Gwinnutt Says:

    Hi

    Have just found your posts on http://www.gloster.demon.co.uk and am very interested in what you have been finding out as am also researching the Gwinnutt/Gwinnett as am a decendant, my fathers brother did alot of research before he died a few years ago. I am trying to get my dad to copy the family tree my uncle did, would be very interested if you did a book or website. Please let me know if you do this. tanyabg@tiscali.co.uk.

    Kind Regards
    Tanya Brigden-Gwinnutt

  2. Frances Calvey Says:

    Hello,

    My family are Gwinnett’s. My Grandad is trying to start off our family tree. We live in Cleveland in the North East of England. We haven’t got very far but we think we might be from your neck of the woods.
    We would love to hear from you.

    Thanks
    Frances

  3. Bill Forrester Says:

    Hello
    I am Bill Forrester, a historian from Ahtens Georgia. I am starting research on a historical biography of Button Gwinnett, the Georgia signer of the Declaration of Independance, could you please send me your email addresses, I intend on doing a detailed background of his family in Glouchester, as well as his time as a merchant in Bristol, and his marriage in Wolverhaven. I will need alot of help with this portion of my study and any correspondance would be greatly appreciated. I would really appreciate any info.

  4. Neil Gwinnutt Says:

    Hi

    I too am also interested in this area, my grandfathers brother (Leonard Gwinnutt) conducted a lot of research in to the Gwinnett/Gwinnutt name a few years ago and produced a book on the history of the Gwinnutts’. It covers how the family name changed from Gwinnett to Gwinnutt over the years and how the Gwinnett’s arrived in Gloucestershire after being “thrown” out of Wales and the lordhip of county Gwynedd.

    If you have any information then please contact me at: gwinnutt1@sky.com

    Regards

    Neil Gwinnutt

  5. Jez Gaydon Says:

    Hi all

    I am Gwinnett/Gwinnutt on my mother’s side and also a cousin of Tanya (see above).
    My great uncle Charles did a huge amount of work on the family line back in the 60′s and 70′s and traced it back to Button Gwinnett and much further to Owain Gwynedd, a king of North Wales in the 12th century. This work was reported on in the local newspapers here in South Wales.

    Unfortunately, a lot of his work was ruined when it was left in a damp garage for many years after his death, and my uncle Joseph spent the last 15 years of his life trying to reassemble the pieces of the jigsaw – he has produced a family tree going back to 1604 of which Tanya’s father has a copy.

    My Uncle Joe was a fine man and a mentor to me, but he did have a tendancy to hoard papers and news clippings, which has resulted in many boxes of books and papers whcih have to be sorted, some of which currently reside at my brother’s house. We are just beginning to start the painstaking job of going through all these over the coming months and I will let you know if we find anything of Gwinnett lineage interest.

    Good luck on your quests

    Jez

  6. Lynne Hayden Says:

    Hi – My Grandmother was also a Gwinnett – Gertrude daughter of Edward. My Great Grandfather Edward was born in Dudley Worcester and moved to Cardiff in the 19OO’s he had a hairdressing business in the City of Cardiff. I have always been told that there is a history to the name of Gwinnett which involved Welsh royalty besides Button Gwinnett being the first Governor of Georgia and having his signature on the American Bill of Independence. My Grandmother married Alfred Charles in Cardiff.

  7. Susan Zasikowski Says:

    Hi there
    My maternal grandmother was Ethel Gwinnutt, her father was Charles Gwinnutt, son of Edward, of Dudley and yes they were a family of hairdressers. It was a family legend that our ancestor was Button Gwinnutt and also that the family had once owned Penllyn Castle near Cowbridge but that it had somehow passed out of the family. I would love to know whether it is true! The castle was owned by a Gwinett at some point ( I found a reference to a Mrs Emilia Gwinett of Penllyn Castle)

  8. Bob Davis Says:

    One of my Great Great Great Grandmothers was Hannah Gwinnett, born in Withington, Gloucestershire in about 1815, and one of the cluster of Gwinnetts that seem to have settled east of Cheltenham in the 1740′s and 1750′s. I have pieced together relationships between a number of Coberley, Withington and Cowley Gwinnetts in my tree at http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/12051996/family/pedigree. I would be interested to hear how this branch ties into the Down Hatherley / Badgworth / Shurdington Gwinnett’s if anyone knows of this link. I have yet to uncover it.

  9. Jean Taylor Says:

    My grandfather was Edwin Alexander Gwinnett born in Birmingham circa 18750. I understand these Christian names were used several times in this family. I also understand that there is some connection with Button Gwinnett. I too would be interested in any research you and others are doing. Unfortunately some material collected by my grandfather was, we believe, destroyed. (possibly because of ‘skeletons in the cupboard’!)
    Regards, Jean Taylor, nee Ford, mother’s maiden name Gwinnett.

  10. edwin alexander gwinnett Says:

    hello, I am a gwinnett my great grandfather was edwin alexander gwinnett 1855-1928 born in tipton dudley, it would be good to exchange any info, many thanks, steve

  11. Don Gwinnett Says:

    Hi – I am also a Gwinnett and have recently started to research the family tree. My great grandfather was Edwin Alexander Gwinnett born in Tipton in 1855. I have been in contact with Steve (previous contributor) and we are going to exchange further details as our trees clearly coincide. I am very interested in any further information regarding the family, particularly details before the 19th century.

  12. Richard Gwinnutt Says:

    Hi, I am a Gwinnutt hailing from Cardiff; similarly I had a great Uncle Charlie who did a lot of research some 30 odd years ago (possibility that copies exist) and my Granfather, Fred, had a hairdressing business in Cardiff before and after the 2nd world war. My understanding is that we certainly do originate from the House of Gwynedd and that Llywelyn ap Gruffydd was, indeed, the first unofficial “Prince of Wales” right up until his untimely death.
    I believe the family name has been gradually anglicized since that time and that further family tree separation occured when the “u” was replaced by an “e” (or vice versa!), possibly due to a registry entry error.
    I may be able to retrieve some archived material from Charlie’s research if the copies still exist and would be glad to assist.

  13. Carol Fritsch Says:

    My great great grandfather was George Gwinnett Dennis, born in Trenton, New Jersey (USA) in 1818. My grandmother said that his great grandfather was the “Button Gwinnett of history”. I don’t believe that this is quite accurate, but do believe that there is a link. Maybe he is descended from a close relative (brother or sister?) of Button.

    His father was born in New Brunswick, and mother in New Jersey. There may have been a Livingston related. I can’t find any records of George’s parents, and though maybe I could work backwards from the Gwinnett side!

    I was excited to see that you have done a lot of research on this family, and wonder if you can shed any light here. Thanks!

  14. Terry Bryant Says:

    My Mother was Evelyn Gwinnett of Cardiff, sister to Charlie, Fred, Joe, Will and Ethel. Her mother was Honora Gwinnett, (nee Sullivan). Apparently my Grandfather used to say that one day he would make her the Lady of Penllyn (Penlline) Castle. There were also claims on the McIntosh estates in Cardiff. Dubious I think.
    My Aunt Ethel (married to Bert Nightingale and mother to Ken, Constance, Harold, Colin, Jean, Lorna and Florence) used to say that she had papers relating to Button Gwinnett, but I was not shown them. She had a (Canadian?) newspaper clipping announcing his death in a duel.
    My cousin Joe (son of Joe Gwinnett the hairdresser), brother of Howard, Peggy and Brian) was a bit of an odd reclusive character. I will be surprised if those searching will find any documents.
    There is or was a book about the Gwinnetts in the archives of Swansea or Cardiff Library, I forget which, called “The Forgotten Family”. I did have a look at it more than 55 years ago when I was a student.

  15. Terry Bryant Says:

    My Mother was Evelyn Gwinnett of Cardiff, sister to Dora, Charlie (greengrocer), Fred (hairdresser), Joe (hairdresser), Will (aircraft engineer at “Airspeed”), and Ethel. Charlie for some unknown reason spelled his name “Gwinnutt”. Their mother (my grandmother) was Honora Gwinnett, (nee Sullivan). Apparently my Grandfather used to say that one day he would make her the Lady of Penllyn (Penlline) Castle. There were also claims on the McIntosh estates in Cardiff. Dubious I think.
    My Aunt Ethel (married to Bert Nightingale and mother to Ken, Constance, Harold, Colin, Jean, Lorna and Florence) used to say that she had papers relating to Button Gwinnett, but I was not shown them. She had a (Canadian?) newspaper clipping announcing his death in a duel.
    My cousin Joe (son of Joe Gwinnett the hairdresser), and brother of Howard, Peggy and Brian) was a bit of an odd reclusive character. I will be surprised if those searching will find any documents.
    There is or was a book about the Gwinnetts in the archives of Swansea or Cardiff Library, I forget which, called “The Forgotten Family”. I did have a look at it more than 55 years ago when I was a student.

  16. Nancy Purcell Says:

    Our family name was Button and I know my grandfather was English. I’m searching Button Gwinnett’s maternal history, knowing his mother’s maiden name was Button. I’m lost in the search. Any hints?

  17. Lynne Hayden Says:

    In reply to nancy’s query if you type in your search engine Emilia Button Cottrell House you will find the connection between the Button and Gwinnett family. Hope this is of some help.

  18. Welwood L Anderson Says:

    George Gwynnedd (ancestor of Button Gwinnutt) is my 11th Gt Grandfather. George Gwynnedd, alias George Gwyneth or Gwynneth (from an Anglicised form of his Welsh name, Gwynnedd or Gwynedd), a gentleman “of Shurdington in the Parish of Badgworth, County of the City of Gloucester”, [1] born in Carnarvon and died “at a great age, on 5 Dec., 1604, In Great Shurneton (Shurdington), Badgworth, Gloucestershire.” [1] Buried at Badgworth, Gloucestershire, England, where he was interred “under a fair altar tomb”. [1] He is described as “a descendant of an antient (sic.) family there (i.e. in Carnarvon, Wales)”… who “fled from his native country by reason of persecution under Queen Mary”. [1] He became lord of the Manor of Shurdington, Badgeworth, Hatherley, Bentham and Witcombe. He owned property in Shurdington and Badgeworth.
    m. (-) Eleanor.

    The Arms of George Gwynnedd are described as being Azure a chevron between three spear-heads erect Argent embrued at the points proper. Crest- A horses head couped Sable, in mouth a broken spear-handle proper head Argent embrued Gules. [1, 2]

    A manuscript (Harl. MS 1543, fo. 190) gives a pedigree dated “about 1697″ and names “George Gwynethh descended out of Carnarvonshire, North Wales” as father of “Richard Gwyneth of Sherdington” who married “Mary, daughter of Richard Estcourt”. Thus the link to this family is confirmed by this manuscript. [5]
    George’s alternative surname, ‘Gwyneth’, [1] is similar to a name in use in Carnarvon during this period, namely ‘Gwynneth’, a name used by John Gwynneth (a.k.a. John ap David ap Llewelyn ap Ithel, of Llŷn [ b. abt. 1490, d. 1562), one of the sons of David ap Llewelyn ap Ithel, in Llŷn.[3] John Gwynneth was a Roman Catholic priest, musician and polemicist, active as a controversial writer on behalf of Roman Catholicism and counter reformation.[3] He wrote several books in reply to those of John Frith, the friend and ally of Tyndale, who had been martyred in 1533. His works show wide learning and a good degree of dialectical skill. John Gwynneth lived on into the reign of Queen Elizabeth, and may have suffered imprisonment for refusing to accept the Act of Uniformity of 1559.[3] His brother was Robert ap Llewelyn ap Ithel, of Castellmarch, in Llŷn.[3] While no, proven relationship is known for George Gwynnedd, John Gwynneth and Robert Gwynneth, there may have been a connection given that George was involved in religious disputes with the Roman Catholic church. Families were known to have been divided by religious struggles of the period during Reformation and Counter-reformation as Protestantism and Catholicism vied for supremacy. George Gwynnedd/Gwyneth left his native home on account of religious persecution of him, by policies pursued under Queen Mary. Presumably he was a Protestant.[1]
    The name ‘Gwynedd’ is derived possibly from Brythonic Ueneda (Land of the warrior bands), or it may be a Welsh muted form of Kenneth (in Welsh the hard k becomes muted to g, thus Kenneth mutates to Cunneda < Gwyneth(a), thus Gwynedd or Gwynnedd means, 'Kenneth's Land.' Cunneda (Kenneth) is the name of a legendary, 5th Century prince from Manaw Gododdin (part of the Old North that included Stirling and Bernicia), who fled the invading Picts in the north of ancient Briton and colonised the lands that became Gwynedd. Hence the family name 'Gwynnedd', 'Gwynedd' or 'Gwyneth', derives from the Welsh locality of Gwynnedd, in North-west Wales named after the Old Kingdom of Gwynnedd, suggesting that there is a family connection to the landed gentry and perhaps the nobility of the Old Kingdom of Gwynnedd.

    Owain "Gwynedd" ap Gruffydd, Prince of Gwynedd (b c1100, d 23.12.1169/70) is the first person of the line of princes of Gwynnedd to have the sobriquet 'Gwynedd' which became a family name in later descendants. Perhaps our George Gwynnedd / Gwyneth is of that line or a branch of the family of Gwynnedd (strictly speaking, the House of Aberffraw, a branch of the House of Manaw), connected to Carnarvon. However, no connection has been found yet.

    Carnarvon is an old name for lands of Gwynedd that became part of Caernarvonshire, in 1926, in the western part of the modern county of Gwynnedd. It was originally a county created under the terms of the Statute of Rhuddlan, in 1284, following the conquest of the principality of Wales by Edward I of England.

    In Carnavon, George Gwynnedd saw changes in Wales during his lifetime, including Protestantism spreading and Henry VIII declaring the Pope no longer head of the church in England (1534); the Act of Union (1536), uniting Wales to England and giving Welshmen equal citizenship and representation in the English Parliament; the agrarian changes following the dissolution of monasteries (1536-1539, also under Henry VIII); the establishment of Protestantism under Edward VI; and of course, Mary I's bloody, counter revolution that sought to re-establish Papal authority over the English church and Roman catholicism as the established church. George Gwynnedd was greatly affected by the latter cause and the vicious, Catholic zeal it precipitated. He was given cause to flee from Carnavon due to "persecution under Queen Mary". [1] The act of flight indicates that he was a Protestant fleeing Catholic persecution under Mary I Tudor and her support for counter-reformation of the churches in England and Wales.

    The time of George Gwynnedd's flight from Carnavon to Gloucester, can be given an approximate date, being between 1555-1558. Mary's persecution of Protestants commenced in 1555, with the burning at the stake of John Hooper, Bishop of Gloucester, and continued until the end of her reign in November, 1558. During that period, three Welsh Protestants were burned to death in Wales and a rebellion in Kent had been put down firmly and over 800 leading Protestants left Britain. As Mary and her supporters tried to undo the changes to a Protestant church enacted by her father and her brother, nearly three hundred (280) victims of Roman Catholic attempts at counter reformation, had been burnt as heretics, giving George Gwynnedd good cause for prudent migration. It is interesting that he should choose Gloucester as his new home, however, as it was an early centre of presecution of Protestants. Perhaps it was safer, closer to the fire.

    Eventually, when Queen Mary died in 1558, her half-sister, Elizabeth I, re-established Protestantism. By that time, George and his family were settled in Great Shurneton (Shurdington), in the Parish of Badgworth, County of the City of Gloucester. [1] His prospects and prosperity improved, as England thrived and grew in world power during the Elizabethan Period.

    The manor at Shurdington included Great and Little Shurdington and Badgeworth; messuages and cottages in Great Shurdington, including Wellhay House and the adjoining King's Tenement or Gwinnett's tenement, Randles tenement, Collin's House, Dring's tenement, Thomas Townsend's tenement and Brewton's tenement.[4]

    After 46 years free of persecution, George Gwynnedd was interred "under a fair altar tomb", at Badgworth, Gloucestershire. [1]
    National Archive repository, [no title] D189/II/1/F1 1646 – 1732. Contents:
    Bonds and marriage settlements of the Gwinnett family of Great Shurdington, relating to the manor of Badgeworth; capital messuage called The Farmhouse or Crippetts, messuage and land (100 a., field names) in Badgeworth, Great Shurdington and Down Hatherley; includes deed of messuage called The Black Boy or The Peacock, St. Martins, Ludgate, London, 1732.
    Settlements before marriage of Richard Gwinnett of Great Shurdington, gent. and Anne, daughter of Wm. Caple, esq., alderman of the city of Gloucester, 1646; Geo. Gwinnett of Great Shurdington, gent., and Sarah Browne of Tirley, 1674; Geo. Gwinnett, jun., citizen and merchant taylor of London and Mary Gough of London, gentlewoman, 1721; wills or copy wills of Richard Banaster, of Apperley, gent., 1646; M. E. Stansbye of Badgeworth, 1683; Wm. Browne of Tirley, gent., 1691, proved 1692; Thos. Button of Cottrell (Glam.), 1710, proved 1711; Thos. Clay of Little Shurdington, 1712; Mary Brown, late of Tirley, now of Gloucester, spinster, 1717; Richard Gwinnett of Great Shurdington, gent., 1717, proved 1717; Geo. Gwinnett of Badgeworth, gent., 1729, proved 1729. [4]
    References
    [1] Unknown Author, Extract "Gwinnett of Shurdington, Badgworth, and Wormington" Chart pp. 84-86, Photocopy made by Pat Horton from an Unrecorded Book, and given in an personal Email, 2 September, 2009.
    [2] Sims, Richard, "An Index to the Pedigrees and Arms Contained in the Heralds' Visitations, and Other Genealogical manuscripts in the british Museum. (1970, Clearfield) p.111., citing 'Gwinnett of Shurdington, 1543, fo. 190.
    [3] Welsh Biographies Online, s.v. 'John Gwynneth', downloaded 12/12/2009, URL: http://wbo.llgc.org.uk/en/s-GWYN-JOH-1490.html/.
    [4] National Archives, UK., [no title] D189/II/1/T1 1621 – 1763. URL: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=040-d189&cid=-1#-1
    [5] Manuscript (Harl. MS 1543, fo. 190).

  19. Welwood L Anderson Says:

    Button Gwinnett (baptized: April 10, 1735 – May 19, 1777), was one of seven children of Rev Samuel Gwinnett and Anne Eames. A popular bur erroneous suggestion is that Button Gwinnett was named for his Godmother (his mother’s cousin) Barbara Button. However, the name Button appears on both his mother’s family and his father’s ancestry. Button Gwinnett’s mother was born Anne or Emilia Button and his paternal 5x-Gt-grandmother was Praxeda Button (b. abt. 1500), daughter of William Button and wife of Edmund Estcourt (b. abt 1499, Salisbury, Wiltshire England, d. 1569).

    Button’s mother was therefore Emilia (or Anne) Eames née Button. The widow Eames married Rev. Samuel Gwinnett, Curate of St Nicholas. Samuel was the son of George Gwinnett and Eliazabeth Coxe.

  20. Elizabeth Gwinnett Says:

    My great great grandfather Corneluis Gwinnett and his spouse Harriet Hyde came to the US from Walsall with their infant son William Edward Cornelius Gwinnett. They settled in Hoboken New Jersey after a short period in NYC. I’ve made it back to Thomas and Anne Pearson in my research. I enjoy reading the family history and viewing the trees others have compiled going even further back into history. I have had the opportunity to see the towns where our family originated from. I visited Gloucester, Walsall,Dudley, Birmingham, and also made it to Cardiff, Wales. I was able to bring the history to life by visiting The Black Country Museum in Dudley and the Museum of Welsh Life in Cardiff! Enjoyed your web site! Thank you!

  21. Maureen Taylor Says:

    Hi,
    I am also tracing my family tree and have just discovered that my 3x great grandmother was Rosetta Gwinnett/Gwinnutt, born around 1830, and her parents were Josh and Eliza, born around 1811, all around Dudley. It would be good to hear from anyone who knows anything about them, or is connected.

  22. Barbara Jones Says:

    Hi, I am trying to trace my mother’s family tree – maiden name Eileen Gwinnett. Her father was Vivian Gwinnett, born 1902 in Pontypridd who worked for some time as a hairdresser and lived in Cardiff. His parents were William Gwinnutt born 1875 (hairdresser) and Edith Gwinnutt born 1877. I spent a lot of time with great grandmother Edith as a child. Gosh, what a lot of Gwinnetts there are! If anyone has any information that helps,or tells more about the faces I remember from childhood, I would be very grateful.

  23. Frances Connors Says:

    I have been working on my family tree for several years. I have been told that I am related to (descended from) Button Gwinnett, signer of the Declaration of Independence in the U. S. However, I cannot work forwards to link with my family. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated.

  24. Lester Durbin Says:

    I can probably help most of the posts above having studied the Gwinnett/Gwinnutt family for more than 20 years and have recently completed a ‘book’ on the family, unpublished and just for close family and some fellow researchers. However I am happy to help anyone particularly over how the Gloucestershire family came to go to the Black Country which has been a problem for many.

  25. Lester Durbin Says:

    Follow up to my posting of Sept. 16 2012 my email contact is jeanles.1@bigpond.com Happy to help if I can.

  26. Carolyn Perkes Says:

    I have an Eliza Perkes born 1809 in Dudley Worcestershire, baptized 10 Mar 1809 Wombourne Staffordshire who married a Joseph Guinnutt either 2 or 28 Dec 1828, Wombourne Staffordshire. Several children including a Rosetta born Dec 1832. Would be interested to know more about this Joseph Guinnutt and his parents which some claim to be Joseph Guinnutt and Rosetta Jens, born in West Africa.

  27. arron Gwinnett Says:

    I am a Gwinnett

  28. Lynne Hayden Says:

    Hi Carolyn in reply to your post Eliza Perks and Joseph Gwinnett were my great-great Grandparents their son Edward Jens Gwinnett being my Great Grandfather his daughter Gertrude Gwinnett was my Grandmother. I have tried to find more information regarding Rosetta Jens being Edward’s Grandmother and your information stating that she was born in West Africa.

    Also to the above post regarding Vivian Gwinnett he was my father’s cousin he was a hairdresser in Cardiff.
    My Grandfather Edward was also a hairdresser I believe they had a business in Cardiff in the 20′s/30′s.

  29. Helen Gwinnutt Says:

    Hi Lynne my great grandfather was also yours and a hairdresser in Cardiff and Pontypridd. My father was Roy Vivan Gwinnutt , son of Percy Gwinnutt .My father did a lot of work tracing the family tree with help from the Mormon branch of the family in America .Its a great big piece of paper tracing the family way back.I have a copy .I need see if I can get it scanned on one of the big map scanners at my husband’ s office.
    Barbara I was named after Elieen (Helen)
    My mother knows all the stories and history , and has been to Emila Gwinnutt’ s Castle .

  30. Helen Gwinnutt Says:

    Ok just found the copy of the family tree it goes back to pre 1603 ! I need to get it scanned now.My mum will be staying with me in two weeks time she is a wealth of Gwinnutt history .
    my email is helen_gwinnutt@hotmail.com
    How exciting .
    Helen

  31. Maggie Wilkes Says:

    My Great Grandmother was Florence Mary Gwinnett, and her father was Richard Gwinnett, born 1845 in Tipton, Dudley, Staffs. I would be interested in the conection between the Black Country Gwinnetts and the Gloucestershire Gwinnetts.

  32. Lester Durbin Says:

    Eliza Parkes or Perkes was married to Joseph Gwinnett who was a soda water manufacturer owning the Perseverance Mineral Water Company in Dudley, well known in its day and much documented. His parents were Joseph and Rosetta or Rosy Jenns and it is unlikely in the extreme that either were born or ever went near West Africa – I certainly have no record and would dismiss it as being untrue. The only family member who did was probably me as I worked in Ghana for 4 years, my mother being a Gwinnutt from Derby and whose line I have back to George Gwynedd in Gloucestershire in 1575. Interestingly there was a Roger Gwinnet a curate of Elmstone Hardwick in 1563 until 1584 when he retired and was described as a ‘very old man’ in 1576. How he relates to the George to whom almost all of us are related I don’t know but possibly a brother. It is highly probable that we all descend from Owain Gwynedd but it is highly unlikely we shall ever prove it. My interest is the specific reason that the Gwinnetts left North Wales for Gloucestershire.

  33. Welwood L Anderson Says:

    Concerning Roger “Gwynedd” the Curate, his name is recorded as “Gwyett” (see http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/persons/CreatePersonFrames.jsp?PersonID=151640) so I don’t think he is a brother to or George of Shurdington.

    I have looked at the heraldric devices used by George Gwynnedd (circa 1525 to Dec., 5, 1604, of Shurdington, Gloucestershire, formerly of Carnarvon) and find that his Arms (Azure a chevron between three spear-heads erect Argent embrued at the points proper) have the same devices as the Arms of NEFYDD HARDD (Nefydd the Handsome)of Caernarvonshire: Argent a chevron sable between three spear heads of the second, embrued, points upwards. The difference is in tincture. Nefydd Hardd descended from Cunedda: he lived contemporaneously with Owen Gwynedd (1137-1170)and is regarded as one of the Fifteen Noble Founders of the “tribes of Wales”- all from Gwynnedd. Based on the evidence from heraldry, I think it more likely that our George Gwynnedd was more likely to have been a descendant of Nefydd Hardd. The Owain Gwynnedd connection is not ruled out by that lineage. However, in my Family History I have at least three lines of descent from Owain Gwynnedd but I have no proven lineage from Owain to George Gwynnedd.

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